Friday, June 3, 2016

Profile of Calendar Year 2016 NUPOC Applicants

Below is a summary of the Academic Profile of NUPOC accessions so far this year (through 5 interviews).  ACT scores are converted to SAT score equivalents based on a conversion chart used for application reviews (which is based on your score's percentile).

We do have applicants who get accepted with GPA's and Test Scores below the averages listed here (1/4 of applicants are obviously below the lower bound of the interquartile ranges, and 1/4 above the upper bound).  At these levels or above you can reasonably expect to be given an opportunity to interview (no promises, that call is not made by me).  If you are below these, you should reach out to your Officer Recruiter (You can find yours here) and request an "Academic Pre-Screen".  This will involve him getting a copy (unofficial is fine at this point) of your transcripts and a screenshot or PDF showing your SAT/ACT scores which he will then forward to our office.  We review it and coordinate with Naval Reactors to determine whether you are academically competitive.  The "whole person concept" comes into account here (we do value your extra-curriculars and leadership positions) as does the caliber of your school and your major.  A 3.0 in Aerospace Engineering at Stanford will probably get a "Yes"; The same GPA in English Literature at a lesser school probably would not.

The moral of the story is that if the program appeals to you and you are willing to study hard if given the opportunity to come to interview, it is worthwhile to reach out to the officer recruiter.  The worst thing that can happen is that you get told "no" after a few short minutes of effort.

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Without further ado, here's a snapshot of the data
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Total Accessions (as of end of May):
146

SAT Scores:
Math:
Max - 800
Median - 710
Mean - 691
Interquartile Range - 650 - 730

Verbal:
Max - 800
Median - 630
Mean - 632
Interquartile Range - 560 - 690

GPA:
Max - 4.0
Median - 3.56
Mean - 3.53
Interquartile Range - 3.28 - 3.72

Major / Course of Study:
Mechanical Engineering - 41
Chemical Engineering - 24
Physics - 16
Chemistry - 8
Aerospace Engineering - 8
Mathematics - 6
Materials Engineering - 5
Electrical Engineering - 5
All Other - 33

Top Producing Universities (2+ Accessions this year):
Brigham Young University
Cal Poly San Luis Obispo
Carnegie Mellon University
Drexel University
Georgia Tech
Grand Valley State University
Iowa State University
Johns Hopkins University
Massachusetts Inst. of Technology
Michigan State University
Ohio State University
Oregon State University
Pennsylvania State University
Purdue University
Rice University
Rochester Institute of Technology
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Rowan University
Stanford University
Stevens Institute of Technology
Texas A&M
University of Alabama
University of California Santa Cruz
University of California at Berkeley
University of Cincinnati
University of Florida
University of Illinois at Chicago
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
University of Iowa
University of Maryland at College Park
University of Michigan
University of Pennsylvania
University of Pittsburgh
University of South Carolina
University of Tennessee at Knoxville
University of Texas at Austin
University of Utah
University of Washington
University of Wisconsin at Madison
Villanova University
West Virginia University

*Note: if no campus is specified, it is assumed to be the main campus for that University.  In larger University systems where multiple campuses often provide NUPOC Applicants, I specified.

40 comments:

  1. I have a quick question. What about individuals that graduate in May? Should they still apply or go through another route? I am senior in petroleum engineering and I have been keeping my options open. My GPA is right around a 3.1, but in my core engineering courses: thermo, mechanics of materials, fluids, dynamics, etc I have nothing less than B+.

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  2. You should still apply. You do not need to have graduated to join NUPOC. Between your interview and graduation you won't have any obligations aside from finishing classes. You would end up going to OCS about a month after graduation.

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  3. Based on your GPA your recruiter should submit a pre-screen to verify that you are qualified, but if you have Bs and up in all engineering coursework you should be in good shape.

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  4. If I decided to go to a community college first before a 4 year university to save money, how would this affect my chances of getting into the NUPOC program?

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    1. Typically, NR requires (at minimum) a full year of transcripts at a 4-year institution before permitting an applicant to interview. As such, there is a chance but not a certainty that this path could delay your acceptance.

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  5. I am a junior in high school. I plan on majoring in civil engineering at UW-Madison. What are the chances of getting accepted into the NUPOC program as a CE major?

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  6. Complete the required semesters of calculus and physics and maximize your GPA. Civil Engineering is treated the same as any other type of engineering, and UW-M has a top program so as long as you have good grades your chances are quite good.

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  7. Hi i have a Bs nursing degree, would that matter if i want to apply for nupoc

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    1. As long as your GPA and test scores are strong, that is probably fine. You should reach out to a local Recruiter to submit an "academic pre-screen". That will give you a 95% answer before you and the recruiter put a ton of effort in to let you know if it's worth proceeding.

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  8. Howdy! So currently I'm a sophomore student at UNR studying Nuclear Materials Engineering. I'm doing great in my Engineerimg classes, majority As and a few Bs. However, my first semester I didn't do so well in my english class, I got a D. I took it again at another institution over the summer and got an A but it didn't replace the grade I got. Should I take it again to replace it before applying this January and push back the application to next summer or should I apply and hope for the best? Do I even still qualify? I'm looking at becoming a Submarine Officer. My GPA is currently a 3.5 woth rhat D.

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    1. John,

      The D will certainly be a red flag on your application, but so long as the other grades are as you describe and there is not a broader trend it shouldn't kill your application. I am (cautiously) optimistic that you'd get screened to at least start phone interviews.

      Having said that, you're going to carry your GPA with you after you graduate and employers will continue to care about it for at least the first decade or so. If possible, I'd try to retake the class and replace the D with an A or B.

      Best,
      Brian

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    2. Do you suggest I push back my application in order to retake it. I want to replace it but if I could get to the phone interviews with how it is currently, I am confident I will be able to get through the rest of the process with plenty of studying of course. Then after, I will be retaking it.

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    3. John,

      Not necessarily. I'd try to apply now, but if you are not "screened" to be academically qualified, then apply again after retaking the course.

      Even if accepted I'd plan to retake the course just for improving my resume. If you decide to make the Navy a career then it won't really matter, but at this stage better to maximize your options and having a high GPA does that.

      Best,
      Brian

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  9. As a Business major, having done three quarters of calculus, is there any chance for me? I have not taken any classes related to engineering, but am open to taking the mandatory requisites.

    Thank you in advance.

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    1. It's definitely possible. For example, I was an economics major. Having said that, the vast majority of applicants are STEM majors, and there is an expectation that applicants who are not must be very attractive to be considered.

      At the end of the day, so long as NR is convinced that you can do the technical work you're in good shape. That's just a harder sell to make without the coursework to back it up. (Test scores, GPA, extra-curricular involvement, etc. can help on that front)

      You should reach out to a recruiter to submit a pre-screen, and note that if you are not eligible now that you are open to taking additional classes, etc. to get there. It's easy to submit, and the worst they can say is "no".

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  10. what courses does nupoc require?

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    1. I believe this is covered elsewhere in detail, but 2 semesters of calculus and 2 of calculus-based physics

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  11. I am currently a senior Mechanical Engineering major. I originally was told that the minimum GPA allowed was 3.2 but currently am a 3.06. I recently discussed this with a recruiter, and he mentioned that it shouldn't be a major issue. I do have C's in my Heat and Fluid Mechanics classes; but the core classes of Physics and Calculus were all A's and B's. Is there a cause for concern going forward for applying?

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    1. It's possible, but the GPA would definitely be on the low end. Be ready to address that, and try to highlight positive trends in academic performance. The NUPOC office will submit a prescreen to NR to get word on whether to process the application. The worst they can say is "no", so go for it.

      Good luck!

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    2. Hey Dan,
      Depending on where you live, the NUPOC market might be "rich" for an officer recruiter, meaning there are so many top candidates they can be selective. If you were in my AOR, I would still submit the prescreen anyway, worst case is they say NO.

      Hope this helps.

      Very Respectfully,
      LT K

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  12. This page is a gold mine! Thank you!

    BS in Industrial Technology 3.68 GPA at University of North Dakota.
    Will have Industrial Technology masters in December 2018, also from UND.
    SAT of 1365.
    Experience teaching college level electronics.
    Thoughts on competitiveness?

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    1. A general question for my own curiousity first -- aren't SAT scores always a multiple of 10? Things change, so I may be behind the times (or you may be doing an ACT conversion?)

      I think you would *probably* be screened to start the interview process for Sub / SWO / Instructor positions. From there, it would all depend on your performance on your interviews.

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    2. Yes, it was a conversion from the old 2400 scale to 1600. I probably did the conversion a little off. They don't make it easy for us dinos!

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    3. Sarah,

      I would say you "should" (key word should) be prescreened for Fleet and Instructor at the very least. Depending on your calc and physics grades, I won't rule out NRE as well. Once you're prescreened, work on getting physically/medically qualified and finally preparing for the interviews in DC. Good luck!

      V/r, LT Kenneweg

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  13. Thank you for this resource. Like many before me I would like to get your thoughts on competitiveness.

    I will be a Senior in Mechanical Engineering at Lipscomb University. I have a 3.92 GPA.
    I have an Associates Degree in Electrical Engineering from Nashville State Community College and graduated with a 3.94 GPA.
    My ACT Score was a 23 (New SAT:1140)

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    1. Hi Phillip,

      Your SAT and ACT area on the low end, but your GPA is stellar. If it had been my call, I'd have pushed for a "yes" to interview, but been pretty tough on the technical interview on the phone to make sure you can succeed in DC. NRE and INST are out, but I think you have a good shot at getting an interview for SUB/SWON if that's your desired path.

      Good luck!

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  14. Had some issues with family and accumulating a large amount of debt first year that caused me some stress. If I have below a 3.0 with B’s and C’s in first year engineering classes, is it worth applying still? Next semester will be my second semester physics and calculus 3 which I intend to do significantly better due to less debt and family related issues (also 2000 sat, 31 ACT and a nuclear engineer at UC Berkeley)

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    1. Below a 3.0 is *usually* a nonstarter. Having said that, if you have a strong semester or two, the combination of positive trend coupled with the resulting increase in your GPA (and Berkeley being a great school) would make you very competitive.

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    2. It'll be a toss-up with NR approving your prescreen and even so, Fleet (Subs and Surface) are your likely options. I had a candidate from a top engineering school (UC Irvine) prescreened and selected who had a 2.9 GPA, but much of it was B- grades and the college did the +/- credit.

      Big picture, you mentioned the debt... not to get into details but if this debt impacted your credit score, be ready to explain it and depending on the severity might impact your ability to get a clearance.

      Best of luck.

      V/r, LT Kenneweg

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  15. I am thinking about applying but I cannot attend the VIP trip times offered in June to me. Is it possible to go to the next VIP trip which I assume would be in July? I have already emailed my recruiter but have not heard back yet.

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    1. I'd follow up with your recruiter. He/she should be able to help you. In the event you don't get any traction there, feel free to reach out and I'll connect you to the team that runs the trips.

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    2. To "piggyback", yes follow up with your OR to coordinate a NVIP trip in July. Ensure your OR/Processor sends up the PRODOCS and if you haven't already working on passing your MEPS physical exam and start prepping for the interviews.

      V/r, LT Kenneweg

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  16. I was invited to attend the VIP session in June but I cannot make either one of the times provided to me due to earlier commitments. I can try to get out of the other commitments but that would come at a huge cost. Is it possible to schedule the next VIP trip due to these complications?

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    1. Yes -- you should just request to go the following month. Typically the orientation trips ("NVIPs") are done monthly, but occasionally they skip a month for logistical reasons.

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    2. Jess,

      Yes you can, but of course be aware that's another month potentially delaying your application and roughly a month's pay (~4,000) being in the program.

      Best of luck.

      Very Respectfully,
      LT Kenneweg

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    3. ^^ Ed is right. It depends on the circumstances. If you're going to be rushed / stressed due to upsetting your schedule to go this month, I'd say the opportunity cost of the lost $$ is worth it -- but it's definitely a consideration.

      Same concept applies with the DC interview. Your recruiter and the team at Navy Recruiting command will work to send you to DC as soon as you have a complete (and accepted!) application to interview, and have passed your phone interviews to demonstrate preparedness. Having said that, in some cases it's worth delaying for a month if otherwise you'll not be able to be prepared or at your best.

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    4. Cases where the latter might apply would be if the interview corresponds with a lot of finals or other commitments that will preclude you from studying, or other reasons that might be significantly distracting.

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  17. Hello!

    I graduated from Cal State Long Beach with a BS in Physics
    I was also involved in undergraduate research pertaining to material science while I was there. I had a rough semester during my 2nd year (I got a few C's) but there's a very noticeable upward trend after that.

    GPA: 3.38
    New SAT: 1360

    I'm set to begin working on an MS in Physics from CSULB this upcoming Fall 2018 semester.

    How competitive would I be in your opinion? And would it be worth waiting until completing my masters to apply?

    Thanks a lot in advance! This website is an invaluable resource.

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    1. I think you'd be competitive now -- go ahead and apply. That said, if you don't get a positive response now, I'd try again once you've made more progress in the masters.

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